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Clean Architecture with Python Sam Keen & Max Kirchoff

Published 13 Feb 2026

Duration: 2216

A podcast discusses applying Clean Architecture principles to Python development to manage dependencies and write clean, testable code.

Episode Description

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/418 Sam Keen - Fou...

Overview

The podcast covers Sam Keaton's book on Clean Architecture in Python, which focuses on managing dependencies in large, long-term codebases to avoid technical debt. The approach emphasizes applying architectural principles rather than relying on strict frameworks, taking advantage of Python's simplicity and pragmatic style. It utilizes Python-specific tools such as ABCs and protocols to structure code effectively and introduces a four-layer architecture: core domain, application, adoption, and framework. The book promotes the "strict inside, flexible outside" principle, which helps maintain clean and testable code by isolating domain logic from external dependencies.

To aid understanding, the book includes a companion to-do app available on GitHub, along with practical examples that demonstrate the concepts without overcomplicating the implementation. The discussion also addresses how clean architecture improves testability, reduces the need for extensive integration tests, and supports the test pyramid concept by emphasizing unit and component tests. Furthermore, the podcast considers the evolving role of AI in software development, suggesting a collaborative model where AI assists with boilerplate code while humans concentrate on domain modeling and architecture, reinforcing that deep domain understanding is essential for creating valuable software.

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